On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Alex.Bligh wrote: ==>ones (with a given cell loss probability), and being careful to remember ==>all that good stuff at the last but one NANOG about broken client stacks, ==>and I think you might find the above is a "non measurement". It's a rough measurement, and if you'd go so far as to assign a 20% error margin, you'd stillsee that a web server still owns a *significant* piece of the click-to-data time, over 50%. I think that a 20% error margin would be fair for this, provided neither I nor my provider was having network problems at the time. At the time, this was intended as a rough measurement to determine how much time was wasted in waiting for inefficient web servers. ==>I *think* (and am not sure) that if you have a proxy set up, you ==>always get the latter once you have connected to the proxy. ==> ==>Oh, and to skew the figures in the other direction, doesn't the first ==>prompt come up while the DNS lookup is being done? Nope. You'll see "Looking up host www.website.com..." in most browsers. (I didn't use a browser to measure this; those "web browser says" lines were there for the reference--a lot of people ask me why it sits there a while after saying "contacted, waiting for response". /cah