To EVERYONE who has contacted me offlist regarding my being so hard on Jay: If this company were truely revelational, my WIFE would have told me about it and I would not have ready about them for the first time on NANOG. They are letting their marketing monkeys run wild, duping unknowing customers into thinking they're getting something better than ANY other provider can give them. By design, their network depends on BGP4 because they depend on TRANSIT from other providers. If they had peering relationships with "God and everybody", "Everywhere", perhaps their new, fangled technology would have some benefit. As it stands, from what I can grep from their "marketing s^%&t".....er.....website, they have NOTHING to offer that SAVVIS/INTERNAP/(every other like-type provider) have to offer besides perhaps the fact that their network will be faster until they inevitably grow beyone capacity at which time, their marketing types will announce their new "OC-10,1000" network buildout with an estimated turnup date of 1/1/3000. Beyond that, I'm _REALLY_ sick of people pissing and moaning about NAPS being congestion points. If you're so tired of the exchange point being slow, INVEST IN MAKING IT FASTER!!!!! It's _NOT_ that hard. It's to _YOUR_ benefit. Moral of the mini-tangent: It's not the NAP, it's the OPERATOR. If they're too greedy to invest in infrastructure, you should investigate alternatives, At the same time, those of you with pipes trying to run at 150% to the exchange points should be ashamed! Someone shoot me when money becomes more important to me than the performance of my network. So, basically, what we're looking at is "Same s%^t, different company name." Jay: _PLEASE_ show different. I'll gladly be shown to be wrong. I'm not holding my breath though. --- John Fraizer EnterZone, Inc