Hey, Dan... What's that they say abou 800 lb. Gorillas... :-) - ferg -- Daniel Golding <dgolding@burtongroup.com> wrote: Cisco's conduct in this case may or may not be improper - we'll have to wait for a little more information. From a PR point of view, they probably should have let things ride and allowed the Blackhat talk to occur. They look like bullies now, which is never good. Hindsight is 20/20, though. That being said, their policy of offering free updates for certain bug fixes to those who don't pay them for support is generous. See that hand feeding you? Don't bite it. -- Daniel Golding -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg@netzero.net or fergdawg@sbcglobal.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/