I suppose this might be a useful point to butt in and say that one reason we don't/can't easily term-limit US representatives to congress is that it unjustly removes their right to run for office. Obviously (I think) not apropos to IETF functioning tho perhaps in spirit. But it's why it took an amendment to the US constitution to impose term limits on the presidency. And though they're difficult to overturn some will argue that this amendment removed not only the right of an individual to run for that office but also the right of voters to vote for that individual. Term limits are funny things and one thing making them an issue is advances in medicine where people might be effective well into their 90s (Warren Buffet is 92.) -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs@TheWorld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD | 800-THE-WRLD The World: Since 1989 | A Public Information Utility | *oo*