Hi there.. I'm looking for some constructive feedback on **real world** experiences please... We're primarily a Cisco shop today - our core and distribution are all Cisco driven and will continue to be (won't change that so not worth discussing today). My question is oriented towards two other markets primarily: Security Devices Remote Office/Customer Site Devices Let me elaborate a bit more... Security - today, we've been deploying Cisco ASA boxes (was PIX before that) with pretty good success. However, in comparison to Juniper the Cisco boxes are *really* expensive - at least to us anyways. Juniper has nice products so I'm looking at proposing a solution internally to move towards the Juniper security appliances. Feedback from folks on them vs Cisco ASA?? Remote Office/Customer Site Devices - today, we do a lot of "managed routers" to customer sites. Again, cost driven, I'm being pushed towards looking at Adtran devices for customer sites that we maintain. I have nothing against Adtran but haven't viewed them to date as being in the same "arena" as Cisco/Juniper etc.. these routers are mainly providing basic firewalling/NAT and some very small VPN activity at times. To take this one step further, some of our voice folks are really enjoying the Adtran boxes as it offers an "all in one solution" which is a router, firewall, "voice" box (many options - PRI handoff, T1, FXS/FXO) and in some of their boxes 24 POE switch ports as well. This is kinda cool I'll admit but the approach in the past has been to drop in a Cisco router, Adtran for voice applications, and then Cisco POE switches if required. This is very costly compared to Adtran's all in one approach.... so am I being stubborn on this or is the Adtran products in this case in the same league?? I had some terrible track record with Adtran a number of years ago so my back gets up when their name is mentioned...;) Any feedback would be very appreciated - we're going to have meetings internally in the next while to decide which product lines fit with which service offerings the best.... Thanks, Paul ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and contains confidential and/or privileged material. If you received this in error, please contact the sender immediately and then destroy this transmission, including all attachments, without copying, distributing or disclosing same. Thank you."