If we're talking about whitebox router and ipifusion, what we're really talking about is vyatta/vyOS and the linux foundation DANOS stuff on an ordinary x86-64 server that has a weird shape. https://www.ipinfusion.com/commercial-version-of-danos-product-page/ https://www.danosproject.org/ In which case it really comes down to how comfortable you are with the feature sets of the individual daemons contained within Vyatta/VyOS derived products (FRR, etc), and then your trust level in the hardware. Typically something such as a Taiwanese industrial/embedded platform manufacturer such as Lanner: http://www.lannerinc.com/products/network-appliances/x86-rackmount-network-a... If you look at the results of a linux kernel boot on a Lanner appliance running VyOS, or a lspci -v, they're not significantly different than taking a Dell or Supermicro rack server and sticking a whole bunch of Intel or Chelsio 2 or 4-port 10GbE cards into it. It's just a weird shaped motherboard, but ultimately derived from an Intel or AMD reference design, and shares a lot in common in a block diagram with a 1U dual socket server motherboard from a company like Tyan or Supermicro. You've got ethernet NICs attached to the PCI-E bus the same as if they were slotted into cards. Aside from the big names like Quanta, Compal and Clevo who will manufacture these things for you in a bespoke fashion if you're a big cloud scale operator, if you google "taiwan embedded industrial motherboard" you'll find the companies that make most of the x86-64 whitebox router hardware. I guess the point I'm trying to make above is that **if** you're confident in both the SW and HW, you can disaggregate your choice of software (vyatta/vyos/DANOS etc) from your own choice of hardware to best fit your needs, rather than purchasing it together as a package. On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 1:28 PM <adamv0025@netconsultings.com> wrote:
Just to clarify what cheap means, ideally -$2000 to $4000 new
-new is preferred as buying used kit on second hand market one is at the mercy of the price fluctuations and availability.
And the likes of the M2400 looks good 4x10G plus some 1G, unfortunately there are no details on the webpage (and the datasheet can’t be downloaded… )
Are there more folks out there bundling open NOS and white-box HW along with the support for the whole thing?
adam
*From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces+adamv0025=netconsultings.com@nanog.org> *On Behalf Of *Colton Conor *Sent:* Monday, October 19, 2020 4:51 PM *To:* tim@pelican.org *Cc:* NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> *Subject:* Re: cheap MPLS router recommendations
I haven't tried one myself, but Dasan Zhone has the M2400 and M3000. Basically, a whitebox with IP Infusion code on it. New, I think the price point is sub $2000 to $4000 new. That's a ton of ports for that price point. Anyone tried these yet? https://dzsi.com/product-category/mobile-xhaul/
On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 3:38 AM tim@pelican.org <tim@pelican.org> wrote:
On Saturday, 17 October, 2020 00:41, "Tony Wicks" <tony@wicks.co.nz> said:
Well, there is always the MX104 (if you want redundancy) or MX80 if you don’t. That will give you 80gig wire speed just don’t load it up with more than one full table.
Bear in mind that the MX80 is now in the EoL process, you have <4 years of support left. Depending on your expected life-time / depreciation rules, buying one new right now might be unwise.
Do *not* throw a full table at it (or any of the PowerPC Junipers) unless you have a lot of patience for reconvergence, and black-holes while you wait.
MX104 is a nice box for getting dual-RE in something relatively compact and cheap, and has environmental hardening if that matters to you, but is still not best pleased with full tables.
OP could do with clarifying "cheap" :)
Regards, Tim.