Why would you think that "Heavy Inbound" signifies a greater inbound:oubound ratio compared to "Mostly Inbound"? To me "Heavy Inbound" means that there is more inbound than outbound and "Mostly Inbound" means exactly that -- mostly/usually/exclusively inbound with the occasional outbound byte or two. --- The fact that there's a Highway to Hell but only a Stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume.
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Prasun Dey Sent: Wednesday, 19 June, 2019 15:33 To: Mike Hammett Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Traffic ratio of an ISP
Thank you, Mike. From an outsider, I don’t have any information of an ISP’s traffic numbers. And this may be confidential unless we are using any measurement platform, which CAIDA is doing. To get a rough idea about any ISP’s traffic outbound:inbound ratio I can only see it's PeeringDB label. But, the question is whether there is any community decided values against these labels? Like, 1:2 = Balanced 1:5 = Mostly Inbound 1:10 = Heavy Inbound 10:1 = Heavy Outbound I just came up with these values. They don’t mean anything. I don’t have any solid evidence or source to support them. So, my question is, what people actually use? Or, it totally depends on the ISPs and they vary.
- Prasun
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On Jun 19, 2019, at 5:18 PM, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
Yes, you seem to misunderstand (at least of what I understand). PeeringDB has categories of ratios to choose from. What has the community decided is acceptable ratios for each category? It's fairly trivial for any network to determine what their ratio is as a number, but not necessarily as a PeeringDB label.
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From: "Josh Luthman" <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com> To: "Prasun Dey" <prasun@nevada.unr.edu> Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 3:23:33 PM Subject: Re: Traffic ratio of an ISP
my question was more like to understand when an ISP decides to claim itself as any of these (Heavy Outbound/ Inbound or Balanced)
Maybe I'm missing something but it's as simple as looking at the interface graphs. We see a whole lot of green for inbound and a little little blue line for outbound. We are an ISP with residential and commercial customers.
Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 4:20 PM Prasun Dey <prasun@nevada.unr.edu> wrote:
Hi Martijn and Josh, Thank you for your detailed explanation. Let me explain my requirement so that you may help me better. According to PeeringDB, Charter (Access), Sprint (Transit), Amazon (Content) all three of them are ‘Balanced’. While, Cable One, an Access ISP says it is Heavy Inbound, while Akamai, Netflix (Content) are Heavy Outbound. On the other hand, Cox, another access ISP, it says that it is Mostly Inbound. So, my question was more like to understand when an ISP decides to claim itself as any of these (Heavy Outbound/ Inbound or Balanced)? From an ISP’s own point of view, at what point, it says, my outbound:inbound is something, so I’m Heavy Outbound. Please ignore my lack of knowledge in this area. I’m sorry I should’ve done a better job in formulating my question earlier. Thank you.
- Prasun
Regards, Prasun Kanti Dey Ph.D. Candidate, Dept of Electrical and Computer Engineering, University of Central Florida web: https://prasunkantidey.github.io/portfolio/
On Jun 19, 2019, at 2:13 PM, i3D.net <http://i3d.net/> - Martijn Schmidt <martijnschmidt@i3d.net> wrote:
It kinda depends on the application that's being used. For example, videogaming has a ratio somewhere around 1:2.5 since you're only transmitting metadata about the players environment across the wire. The actual video is typically rendered at the end user's side. So it's not very bandwidth heavy.
Compare that with a videostream (watching a movie or TV series) and you're pumping the rendered video across the wire, so there's a very different ratio. Your return path traffic would pretty much consist of control stuff only (like pushing the pause button).
Some networks are dedicated to serving one type of content, whereas others might have a blend of different kinds of content. Same story for an access network geared to business users which want to use emails and such, vs residential end users looking for the evening's entertainment.
Best regards, Martijn
On 19 June 2019 19:54:45 CEST, Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
If you're asking an ISP, consumers will always be inbound. It's the end user. The outbound would be where the information is coming from, like data centers.
I'm not sure you're going to get any better answer without a more specific question.
Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 12:50 PM Prasun Dey <prasun@nevada.unr.edu> wrote:
Hello, Good morning. I’m a Ph.D. candidate from University of Central Florida. I have a query, I hope you can help me with it or at least point me to the right direction. I’ve seen from PeeringDB that every ISP reveals its traffic ratio as Heavy/ Mostly Inbound or Balanced or Heavy/ Mostly Outbound. I’m wondering if there is any specific ratio numbers for them. In Norton’s Internet Peering Playbook or some other literary work, they mention the outbound:inbound traffic ratio as 1:1.2 to up to 1:3 for Balanced. But, I couldn’t find the other values. I’d really appreciate your help if you can please mention what Outbound:Inbound ratios that network admins use frequently to represent their traffic ratios for 1. Heavy Inbound: 2. Mostly Inbound: 3. Mostly Outbound: 4. Heavy Outbound:
Thank you. - Prasun --
Sincerely, Prasun Kanti Dey, Ph.D. candidate, Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering, University of Central Florida.
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