Are there really no others or are the ones that are there just marketing themselves poorly? Any nearby you could convince to expand? Over my WISP's coverage, I have at least 13 WISP competitors, 7 broadband wireline and nearly that many enterprise fiber. I admit that may be exceptional. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick@ianai.net> To: "NANOG list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 9:25:54 PM Subject: Re: EFF Call for sign-ons: ISPs, networking companies and engineers opposed to FCC privacy repeal Thanks, I was a bit confused why you said it, which is apparently because I was confused. :-) I agree we need to do a better job educating users why this is important. And just so my opinion is clear, if there were a true market, I would not mind ISPs who did this (with proper notice). Unfortunately, over half of all households in the US have one or fewer choices for broadband providers. I am one of them. What do I do if my ISP wants to collect my data? VPN everything? -- TTFN, patrick
On Mar 28, 2017, at 10:18 PM, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
It was more a plea to educate the list on why this matters vs. doom and gloom with a little more gloom and a little less Carmack. Instead I got more of the sky is falling.
Note that I don't intend to ever do this at my ISP, nor my IX.
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Mike:
My guess is you do not.
Which is -precisely- why the users (proletariat?) need to find a way to stop you. Hence laws & regulations.
Later in this thread you said “we are done here”. Would that you were so lucky.
-- TTFN, patrick
On Mar 28, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net <mailto:nanog@ics-il.net>> wrote:
Why am I supposed to care?
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From: "Rich Kulawiec" <rsk@gsp.org <mailto:rsk@gsp.org>> To: nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 4:45:25 PM Subject: Re: EFF Call for sign-ons: ISPs, networking companies and engineers opposed to FCC privacy repeal
On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 06:45:04PM +0000, Mel Beckman wrote:
The claim oft presented by people favoring this customer abuse is that the sold data is anonymous. But it's been well-established that very simple data aggregation techniques can develop signatures that reveal the identity of people in anonymized data.
This needs to be repeated loudly and often at every possible opportunity. I've spent much of the past decade studying this issue and the most succinct way I can put it is that however good you (generic "you") think de-anonymization techniques are, you're wrong: they're way better than that. Billions, and I am not exaggerating even a little bit, have been spent on this problem, and they've been spent by smart people with essentially unlimited computational resources. And whaddaya know, they've succeeded.
So if someone presents you a data corpus and says "this data is anonymized", the default response should be to mock them, because there is a very high probability they're either (a) lying or (b) wrong.
Incidentally, I'm also a signatory of the EFF document, since of course with nearly 40 years in the field I'm a mere clueless newbie and despite ripping them a new one about once every other month, I'm clearly a tool of Google.
---rsk