-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 To cut through the noise and non-relevant discussion, let's see if we can boil this down to a couple of issues: 1. Should ISPs be responsible for abuse from within their customer base? 1a. If so, how? 2. Should hosting providers also be held responsible for customers who abuse their services in a criminal manner? 2.a If so, how? I think anyone in their right mind would agree that if a provider see criminal activity, they should take action, no? If that also holds true, then why doesn't it happen? Providers in the U.S. are the worst offenders of hosting/accommodating criminal activities by Eastern European criminals. Period. $.02, - - ferg -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Desktop 9.5.3 (Build 5003) wj8DBQFMDzEsq1pz9mNUZTMRAofEAKDsKxNL+5GT0ztuuqq4LpK/i3TFmACeJ4mc wfZppwxJYkvW1vS6cacuuX0= =Xs0E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawgster(at)gmail.com ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/