On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 01:08:39PM -0500, Patrick W Gilmore wrote:
On Dec 13, 2004, at 6:39 AM, Michael.Dillon@radianz.com wrote: [my attribution clipped -jzp]
- this month, another knee was at 150k [Dec 4th] and similarly garbled results came out. Again, no response. ...in this one year we've seen the shape of the climb return to the curve characterized by two years 99-01. Going for e? I'm not quite sure what the current point of the report is if no-one responds to even it breaking.
Knee? Shape? Curve? Are you reading the same CIDR report that I see here every Friday? The report that I see is basically a dump of raw data. Perhaps the author needs to remember the distinction between data and information and make the CIDR report into something that people *WANT* to read. This posting of yours contained far more information than any CIDR report. [snip]
Also, as for the "knee" Joe mentioned, I think he is talking about the fact the report went wonky. Look at the data presented in the last CIDR report - it is nonsense, obviously in error. This is not the "shape" of the "curve", it is the data itself.
Correct on 'knee' but for crying out loud, follow the pointy clicky references to the website. Of course there isn't going to be a curve in email [you want ascii plots? how 1980s], but the email quite clearly points you the way to the site where there is some analysis of the raw data. For many of us, the mail is a reminder 'here's the current raw info, check the detailed stuff over here'. There is no secret cabal or hidden ionfo, the report email Joe, finding it a sad state of affairs that he must cut and paste "http://www.cidr-report.org/cgi-bin/plota?file=%2fvar%2fdata%2fbgp%2fas4637%2fbgp%2dactive%2etxt&descr=Active%20BGP%20entries%20%28FIB%29&ylabel=Active%20BGP%20entries%20%28FIB%29&with=step" into this message for people to actually look at the graph. PS "2001 bellovin bush griffin rexford" entered into google hits the specific reference quite nicely - sorry i didn't include the title. as michael pointed out the specific links migrate all the time, so i was purposefully avoiding 'where it can be found at this moment' [try http://www.research.att.com/~jrex/papers/filter.pdf] -- RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / Usenix / SAGE