On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:58 PM, Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
(caution! I don't really think arin is evil!)
Nor do I… (but I will remind folks that organizations evolve based on participation, so ongoing diligence and involvement is definitely warranted.)
On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 1:16 PM, John Curran <jcurran@arin.net> wrote:
To be clear, he would still end up bound to an agreement which provides that they indemnify the RIR regarding their RPKI usage (which was the complaint expressed in the NANOG community regarding ARIN’s RPKI terms and conditions) -
maybe, but his point was that the evil (evile?) arin would not be putting their clutches on his ip-address-spaces... Sure he's trading ARIN for RIPE here, but I diidn't think the RPA bit was his concern as much as the LRSA and 'now that you agree these are ip blocks are subject to the legacy registry services agreement, we (arin - with twisty mustasche) might decide to wrest them away from you!!!<muahahahahaa!>’
A distinct possibly, but much improved in the current LRSA (and RSA, which are the same document at this point.) Unless he’s planning to not pay the annual maintenance fee and ignore the notices and letters that follow over the next 120 days, or if going to make a serious misrepresentation in the process of claiming the rights to the address block, he’s fairly safe... for example, ARIN now specifically disclaims revocation for lack of utilization. (Furthermore, if ARIN breaches its obligations, the status of the address block reverts to the same prior to entry the LRSA – this is definitely less than RIPE provides, which is effectively exit at any time, but far better than the original LRSA.) If you want to just use your legacy address block (wth the same services that where in place at ARIN’s formation), then you don’t need to enter into an LRSA – but please do still update your registration in the ARIN registry to have current contact data, as this helps deter potential hijackers. If you want to have those services that were developed since ARIN’s formation, then I’d suggest reviewing the actual current LRSA agreement, as it is significantly improved over earlier versions. Thanks! /John John Curran President and CEO [Evil?] ARIN