There is a Gent in DC by the name of Thom Swink. He is with the Computer Crime Squad of the FBI, and is a member of the Internet group. He seems very knowledgeable as is many of his peers. Their phone number there is 212-384-1000 and his extension is X4505. This would definitely be a good place to start. We've been here quite a few times with more acceptable results than non. Chris ---------- From: Alan Hannan[SMTP:alan@mindvision.com] Sent: Friday, December 27, 1996 10:12 AM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Policies affecting the Internet as a whole - Hitting where it hurts Hi. I wrote: ] > Did you contact a law enforcement agency? Did we comply with ] > their wishes? ] > It seems that you are asking for vigilantism, not cooperation. Kim wrote: ] What sort of law enforcement agency would contact uunet ? ] How about my local township police department ? Whatever law enforement agency has jurisdiction. If the attacked server is within their jurisdiction, that would be a good place to start. Potentially you will have to escalate this to the FBI, as they seem to be pretty savvy to computer crimes, on a relative scale. Law enforcement agencies _do_ contact providers, and do catch folk. Read any popular book about shimomura and mitnick to see an instance. (legal tramplings not withstanding) I make no bones about this being a difficult problem, and I don't mean to infer that Mr Hawn was attacking UUNET or advocating that an ISP "retaliate". I apologize that this came across this way. However, the more general theme seems to infer that providers of service should maintain some level of responsibility for what their users do. This scares me, in the "real world". -alan