You know you're off track when.. What operational relevance does this conversation, or the similiar ones that came before it, have? Are there a bunch in production contributing to the degradation of the best route between me and this video of cute kittens I'm trying to watch? Did something of this breed cause some eastern europe bgp flappy flappy this week? I've got BGP and OSPF speaking Linux machines under my care, but I don't think everyone wants to hear about them unless they're out of control like the cast of Lord of the Flies set loose in a supermarket. Having carped, I'm obligated to offer a solution: The technical discussion is certainly interesting to a small subset of NANOG participants, I'm sure (I do find it interesting, I promise), but I'm thinking this conversation is better elsewhere, like a beer & gear, or might I recommend forming some kind of nanog-shoptalk sub list? Is there one like it? Something for discussing the network substrata and not the weather a few layers up? I'm aware of stuff like c-nsp/j-nsp, but the Linux router crowd has it's own niche and there's certainly a place for discussing them, I just don't think it's.. here. - billn