OK, given, this guy is a flaming moron, and the original message was completely out of line. HOWEVER, it seems to me he raises at least one valid objection. It seems to me, both from his allegations and from the phraseology of the "Best Practices for Being Permanently Added to the RBL", that web hosting services are being treated unfairly in the following circumstance: Company S(pam) has a web site, hosted on the servers of web-presence-provider Company P(rovider). Company S uses the services of Company X to send out massive loads of SPAM, with referencing the web site and even e-mail addresses hosted by Company H. Now, if I'm hearing what's being said on this list correctly, Company H is being expected to pull the website they host for Company S (or else be blackholed), _even though no illegal or spam-generating activity is being generated on their network_. Am I understanding this correctly?!? By this philosophy, it would seem that if I were to host the web pages of a company which engaged in unwelcome telemarketing (which I personally find much more offensive than SPAM, and which is no more or less illegal in most states), I would be under an obligation to cease providing service to that company! So, given the earlier threads about annoying UUNET marketing folks, let's blackhole all mail that comes from UUNET. Oh, and also mail that comes from anyone who peers with them. And of course any mail that has to be transported over those evil people's networks.....wait a sec, why's my inbox suddenly empty, where'd the internet go??? Maybe I'm misinterpeting the policies here, but I didn't hear anyone disputing the actual complaints of this guy, which can only lead me to believe that either A) This guy was actually treated unfairly, and has a valid complaint, or B) Nobody cares enough to say "hey, wait a minute, there's been a failure in communication, let's see if we can work this out." So, what's up, guys? I'd hate to think a great thing like the RBL is being abused to squash people who we just happen to find annoying. -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS/IT/M/P/S d?- s+:- a17>? C++++$ UBLS++$>++++ P--- L++>+++ E---- W+++$ N- !o K? w@$ !O M-- V-- PS+++ PE Y+ PGP- t+ 5-(++) X+ R+ tv>! b+++ DI+++ D+ G++ e* h!*>++ r%>++ !y->$ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------