Very well put Bill :) Winn Johnston Linux Systems Administrator ________________________________________ From: William Herrin [herrin-nanog@dirtside.com] Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 4:38 PM To: Jim Mercer Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: Nanog mentioned on BBC news website On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Jim Mercer<jim@reptiles.org> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 08:44:21PM -0400, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
My fav part: <quote> "That's precisely how packets move around the internet, sometimes in a many as 25 or 30 hops with the intervening entities passing the data around having no contractual or legal obligation to the original sender or to the receiver." </quote>
How many of you pass packets without getting paid?
in the case of intervening entities, it is true that they have no link to the sender or receiver. my packets from office to home can traverse at 3 or more networks that are not paid by me, or my company.
If I pay you to send my packets and you pay bob to send my packets then I have paid bob to send my packets. Transitive property of payment. ;-) 'Couse bob doesn't pay claire anything but denise pays claire to receive packets for denise, my packets are intended for denise and bob and claire have a peering agreement in which they agree to swap already-paid traffic directly rather than both paying ed to do it for them. So it ain't free and at each step there is a contractual obligation to at least one of the sender or receiver. Regards, Bill -- William D. Herrin ................ herrin@dirtside.com bill@herrin.us 3005 Crane Dr. ...................... Web: <http://bill.herrin.us/> Falls Church, VA 22042-3004 ______________________________________________________________________ This inbound email was scanned by MessageLabs _____________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ This email was scanned by MessageLabs _____________________________________________________________________