Harlan and Mehmet, I can expand on one important reason that James only alluded to with his “Kepping the Auditors happy” comment. Passing NTP through a firewall and then using that as a critical time reference source represents a huge security risk. Here’s one detailed explanation of that risk: https://insights.sei.cmu.edu/sei_blog/2017/04/best-practices-for-ntp-service... -mel On May 1, 2019, at 3:48 PM, James R Cutler <james.cutler@consultant.com<mailto:james.cutler@consultant.com>> wrote: On Wed, May 01, 2019 at 02:35:58PM -0700, Harlan Stenn wrote: - Why do folks want to have one or more NTP server masters that have at least 1 refclock on them in a data center, instead of having their data center NTP server masters that only get time over the internet? Answers to that include: * Keeping the Auditors happy * Knowing that “everyone does it” - the vendor told them so * Bragging rights (expensive hardware) * Being unbothered by fighting with facilities for building penetrations and antenna mounts * Misunderstanding the beauty and economy Dave Mills marvelous algorithms for consistent time based on multiple sources, even those connected via internet * Unwillingness or inability to leverage other local resources capacity to run ntpd with minimal impact in order to have a good constellation of local NTP servers * Willingness to farm out time service without doing a deep dive into why and how, just leaving the design to the appliance vendors This covers most of what I have encountered in providing enterprise time services for $dayjob+clients. I probably left out some significant points, but it has been a few years...