Whois's primary purpose is to keep the network running. CP, IP, LEO are all secondary issues. This tends to get lost. I can easily contact all the TLD operators using whois data and do so from time to time when I see issues with the servers. The one time I couldn't (both email addresses bounced) was reported to IANA who are working on getting the contact details corrected. Whois data for other zones is a real pain in the back side to get let alone process. .GOV just tells you if the zone exists. This is a !@#$!@#@$# joke. They are government departments. They should be contactable without having to depend upon web sites being up as sometimes you are complaining about the sites being down. For those of you who are US citizens please complain to your representatives about this. Mark -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org