Jeff, I think you may miss the point. In the commercial Internet world, I have to pay for my network. If I'm a big guy, my main value is hauling traffic long distances. How am I to make a profit (or even maintain my network) if 1) I can't exchange traffic with the other long haul providers without significant loss, and 2) I give free access to all of my most opportune customers? I doubt that the people who design, engineer, and install these networks feel at all that way about open naps. They have been driven to a business decision. In many peoples eyes it may not have been the best decision, but it happens to be the easiest and quickest method to quench the bleeding. We are at a point where the traffic growth is causing a lot of people to re-evaluate their network design philosophy. We haven't even begun to see the final shape of thinks (All IMHO) Chris ---------- From: Jon Zeeff[SMTP:jon@branch.net] Sent: Monday, October 21, 1996 2:15 PM To: Chris A. Icide Cc: dalvenjah@dal.net; emv@coast.net; nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Ungodly packet loss rates In other words, the big players don't like the "open" naps and are deliberately not installing sufficient bandwidth to them? -- (313) 741-4442 http://branch.com/ Jon Zeeff Branch Internet Services Inc. jon@branch.com *** WWW Hosting Services, WWW Site Development and the Branch Malls ***