And then you'll get wrapped up in the court-case, probably lose the case since they'll be able to hire better lawyers and fight it out longer, the judge/jury will have no idea what your talking about, and you'll still be the victim of the smurf attacks. My guess is, you won't get far this way. Too many people to sue. I still like the idea of running a scan of the entire IP space, as expensive and tiring it would be, and inject them all into the RBL. I know Jared is off to a great start... My guess is the policy makers will come up with a never-enforced set of guidelines, that only hurt the small ISP or organization. The answer has to be technical. We'll hate the political one. Best regards, Jamie Scheinblum - FASTNET(tm) / You Tools Corporation jamie@fast.net (888)321-FAST(3278) http://www.fast.net FASTNET - Business and Personal Internet Solutions The views stated above are mine and do not reflect those of my employer. -----Original Message----- From: Karl Denninger [mailto:karl@mcs.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 6:58 PM To: Richard Thomas Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Government scrutiny is headed our way I'm going to have to talk to our lawyers about whether or not we could *sue* the amplifier networks. Most of them are truly large organizations (ie: universities, big corporations, big national providers, etc) and could easily pay such a judgement. Heh, now there's an idea :-) -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - Serving Chicagoland and Wisconsin http://www.mcs.net/ | T1's from $600 monthly / All Lines K56Flex/DOV | NEW! Corporate ISDN Prices dropped by up to 50%! Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| EXCLUSIVE NEW FEATURE ON ALL PERSONAL ACCOUNTS Fax: [+1 312 803-4929] | *SPAMBLOCK* Technology now included at no cost