Chris, I can assure you that the Drone Army project is not run that way, and is quite useful, effective, etc. The folks behind the DA Project are certainly professionals... ...and the infromation is quite useable, parse-able, and genuine. - ferg -- "Christopher L. Morrow" <christopher.morrow@mci.com> wrote: perhaps we could back up and ask: 1) why are you not using the arin/ripe/apnic/japnic/krnic/lacnic poc's for these asn's? certainly some are not up to date, but there are a large number that are... 2) what is this for again? 3) are you planning on sending something to these poc's? 4) what are you planning on sending to them? 5) how often should they expect to see something, and from 'whom'? 6) looked at the INCH working group in IETF, thought about using some of these evolving standards for your alerts/messags/missives? 7) please don't send in bmp files of traceroutes (make the info you send in complete and usable... 'I saw a bot on ip 12' is not useable, as an fyi) -Chris -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg@netzero.net or fergdawg@sbcglobal.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/