[at the risk of getting whacked by Sue Harris, like: what does "operational" mean anyway when the flood of criminal activity that's been the subject of discussion here in recent days is frustrating massive amounts of ordinary customers/Internet users, who will turn away from the Internet in frustration altogether ; the impact on operators should be quite obvious] On 9/25/2003 at 11:58 AM, "netadm" <netadm@infolink.com> wrote:
This is exactly the problem with certain e-mail block lists (i.e. www.spamhaus.org). A few zealots who control this particular block list have made a decision based on inaccurate information.
Mr. Linford has listed (in his block list) 48 /24s allocated to Infolink (yes we are a real ISP with real customers) for 2 customers we are working to terminate.
In addition, as previously mentioned, Mr. Linford refuses to remove listings once we notify him of the termination.
And with good reason.
Given the above, it is imprudent for any network operator (North American or Other) to use Mr. Linford's SBL to restrict the delivery of e-mail.
It is inadvisable for any network operator to even accept your BGP announcements like yours, inbound into their network: Anyone who is bleeding 32 /24's in addition to an enclosing /19 supernet (presumably out of incompetence, but maybe this is part of a strategy to circumvent less-skilled operators nullrouting the /19 at router level, and failing to notice that that doesn't work when there's longer prefixes) is worthy of being dropped for stealing too much of our router CPU/RAM. Anyone who (at least at one point in the past) replied to mail sent to abuse@FQDN with a note that the complaint will be ignored and the only complaints that will be addressed (yeah right) are those sent in PLAIN OLD PAPER HARDCOPY, deserves no access to other networks whatsoever. Any ASN that announces the equivalent of only 51 /24's, yet manages to generate 106 AUP violations (mailing spamtraps, dead users, failing to yield to SMTP 550, etc., many of them continuous 'repeat action') in a four month period to 2 rather small MXs, and continues such illegal trespass after their 4 upstreams are informed (and have in turn informed you) of this continuously, deserves to be dropped until the end of time. Current AS 15083 upstreams: 2914 (Verio) 16631 (Cogentco) 19094 (Adelphia/telcove.com) My guess is that abuse@ people at (at least) Verio and Adelphia are tipping on their toes, waiting until the complaint count has reached the magic number high enough to term you with their management's support, so you can go find yourself some new upstreams - again. That won't change our stance of blocking you by ASN, IP space and known domain names - indefinitely. Given that there is 1000's of systems like ours, this makes the SBL listing seem like an insignificant problem for your so-called "ethucal bizniz". bye,Kai