Subject: Re: why IPv6 isn't ready for prime time, SMTP edition Date: Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:06:11AM -0400 Quoting Patrick W. Gilmore (patrick@ianai.net):
Composed on a virtual keyboard, please forgive typos.
On Mar 29, 2014, at 3:15, Måns Nilsson <mansaxel@besserwisser.org> wrote: Quoting John R. Levine (johnl@iecc.com):
Ergo, ad hominem. Please quit doing that. As a side note I happen to run my own mail server without spam filters -- it works for me. I might not be the norm, but then again, is there really a norm? (A norm that transcends SMTP RFC reach, that is --
I know a lot of people who run a lot of mail systems, and let's just say you're so far out in the long tail we need a telescope to see you.
I will not debate with people who resort to humiliation techniques when questioned.
I will not argue whether you were humiliated as that is something only you can decide.
The puny attempt at "master suppression technique"[0] was identified as such and countermeasures were launched. No damage done.
However, John was still factually correct. No big deal, lots of people are humiliated by facts. Although I admit I didn't find the quote above terribly humiliating myself.
You have a point. Further, I do not debate the truth in the statement. My personal email system IS small -- I did even state that -- but that does not mean I do not run larger systems for others, nor does it mean that the general public should dismiss my ideas and only listen to people who brag about their acquaintances. There are other much more compelling reasons not to do as I say.
Also, realize that John has already done more to stop spam in his career then you and your thousand closest friends ever will. (E.g. Look up abuse.net.) Again not humiliation, just a fact.
Feel free to plonk me as well. I won't be humiliated. :-)
I won't. There is a clear divide between politely pointing out facts and abusing facts to tell people that their opinion does not matter. And, for the record, I do not support spamming in any form. But the mitigation techniques MUST NOT impose undue constraints on the legitimate use of e-mail, even when it is not vetted by passing it through big insecure monitored US webmail providers. -- Måns Nilsson primary/secondary/besserwisser/machina MN-1334-RIPE +46 705 989668 Vote for ME -- I'm well-tapered, half-cocked, ill-conceived and TAX-DEFERRED! [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_suppression_techniques