Been doing exactly this for a couple ASNs for a few years now with surprisingly good results (thanks to advice way far back from my good friend Brandon Martin above, coincidentally). One of them is even on an L3 switch with something like 96k max routes. Taking defaults from two upstream providers and ECMPing between them. This particular AS is a pretty predictable network so after running netflow for a while, compiling a list of the top ~1000 outbound ASs we talk to, then creating route filters to allow any prefixes from this AS list into our forwarding table, it now has something like 98% of it's traffic by volume covered by specifics from all our upstreams, and of course ECMP defaults to fall back on for the remaining 2%. Not pretty, but have had surprisingly zero issues or traffic weirdness over a few years now - when customers want to play bgp but refuse to buy actual routers you have to get creative :) On Mon, Oct 24, 2022, 11:47 AM Adam Thompson <athompson@merlin.mb.ca> wrote:
I can't believe that never occurred to me in all the time I was doing that, 'way back when... <facepalm> Thanks for pointing that out! -Adam
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-----Original Message----- From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+athompson=merlin.mb.ca@nanog.org> On Behalf Of Brandon Martin Sent: October 21, 2022 4:30 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: any dangers of filtering every /24 on full internet table to preserve FIB space ?
Alternately, a valid technique is to have a default route AND a
On 10/20/22 17:50, Adam Thompson wrote: partial BGP feed (a filtered full feed is by definition a partial feed). That helps optimize outbound routing a little bit, you still get the advantage - mostly - of multiple inbound carriers; but you still have to pick one carrier to do the heavy lifting for you. And you are paying them to route for you, so that's not an unfair shifting of the routing burden, unlike relying on covering routes. Note that this approach does NOT provide any redundancy, unlike having full BGP feeds.
As a note, you can get redundancy (but still none of the best-path advantages of having multiple transits) by asking your transits to originate default in their BGP feed and then selectively accepting it. You can either ECMP it or pick priority with localpref.
You need multiple full-view transits for this to work, though.
-- Brandon Martin