I stand corrected. And I apologize to the list. This morning I posted a 'heads-up' about an AOL problem. My rationale for doing so was that the information was important to my operations group, because AOL represents 10 million end users who spend a portion of their online life connecting to websites that we host. And our customers measure our performance based on the number of hits per minute/hour/day that they are getting. When this rate changes uncharacteristically, the web customer immediately assumes that it is our network that is failing, and calls our operations group to complain, or inquire. Knowing that AOL is experiencing a problem (which would not show up in any of our peer monitors) helps our ops guys to avoid a wild goose chase. I assumed this was the case for most ISPs. I received a number of (thankfully) private flames, asking me why I thought anyone on the list cared. Obviously I thought many of you would. I was wrong. So I went to look at the NANOG charter (based on the crud that shows up on NANOG, one could be forgiven for being confused). I thought that the charter covered operational issues. It doesn't. Specifically, from the NANOG web site: "The NANOG mailing list is established to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of specific implementation issues that require cooperation among network service providers. <snip>." It covers implementation and co-operation issues. Sorry to create improper noise. Is anyone aware of a good newsgroup that does cover mundane issues like fiber cuts, DNS and root server failures, NAP problems, Route leaks, backbone poisoning, etc? Or is NANOG a good place for this, depending on who is doing the posting? In which case, where should the clueless unwashed like me go? Thanks... Rodney Joffe Chief Technology Officer Genuity Inc., a Bechtel company http://www.genuity.net