PH> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:09:34 +0300 PH> From: Petri Helenius PH> However, since improvements are always welcome, please PH> recommend tools which would allow us to progress "above and PH> beyond" C and it�s deficencies. I'll pick on you for a bit, although this applies to all too many technical people; I, too, slip up periodically. When people write "it's" instead of "its" and other such mistakes, is any programming language sufficiently idiot-proof? (Answer: Only if bugs absolutely cannot result in exploitable software.) Veering OT a bit, C class libraries have all sorts of bells and whistles to simplify "features". Why not add classlib support for safe programming, such as bounds-checked buffers? Some of us write/use our own, anyway... Eddy -- Brotsman & Dreger, Inc. - EverQuick Internet Division Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network building Phone: +1 785 865 5885 Lawrence and [inter]national Phone: +1 316 794 8922 Wichita _________________________________________________________________ DO NOT send mail to the following addresses : blacklist@brics.com -or- alfra@intc.net -or- curbjmp@intc.net Sending mail to spambait addresses is a great way to get blocked.