On Mon, 8 Jul 1996, Michael Dillon wrote: ==>The official definition of a hurricane is winds in excess of 5 km/hr ==>for a duration of at least 1 hour. Read all about it at ==>http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayNew.pl?/metcalfe/metcalfe.htm Interesting as well is Bob's incorrectness once again: "Uh-oh, this despite Netcom's trademarked slogan: The Network Works. No Excuses. " See http://www.cisco.com/public/copyright.html, in which you'll find: "All rights reserved. No portion of this service may be reproduced in any form, or by any means, without prior written permission from Cisco Systems, Inc. [...], The Network Works. No Excuses. are service marks; [...] of Cisco Systems, Inc.[...]" Bob also states that: "Cisco should continuously improve the software with which its routers are programmed so that catastrophic human errors are less likely. " Which gives the connotation that cisco Systems doesn't constantly improve IOS; everyone who's worked with cisco's software knows it's constantly being improved. Bob also states the following: "Unfortunately, my favorite of such meetings, those of the North American Network Operators Group (NANOG), are not likely to take systematic outage analysis seriously. As one NANOG wag put it, "This is the 'net, people, deal with it."" What Bob fails to mention is that no one has a service-level agreement with the Internet. The Internet is designed this way--my network connects to your network. It is _NOT_ under control of one body. It's very hard to GUARANTEE outages to _anyone_ without monetary value involved. And generally, "my networks connects to your network" does not have enough monetary value to warrant SLA contracts of service. Bob, I challenge you to find an Internet Service Provider that gives an END-TO-END service level agreement for the Internet. That is, if my web site isn't fast enough, you have escalation/remedy procedures. If Joe Blow's sendmail has crapped out, you have escalation/remedy procedures. I'll buy you dinner if you find one. Bob once again forgets the original purpose behind the Internet, and he apparently has permanently doffed his engineer hat for his non-technical businessperson hat long ago. /cah