Re: Q: What do ISPs really think about security issues?

On the other hand, if you listen carefully to what ISPs need, you can be fairly effective working with ISPs. However there are practical limits to what an ISP can do.

I'll second this point. We've had great luck working with providers globally, but only after folks (such as Sean) took us under their wing and mentored us on the processes and setups that best help ISPs. That alone would make a great *NOG presentation. -- Rob Thomas Team Cymru Research NFP http://www.cymru.com/ cmn_err(do_panic, "Out of coffee!");