I find it most useful as a warning beacon. If anyone is talking about how they are or want "Tier 1", then I need to back away slowly. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Tinka via NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> To: "Tomas Lynch" <tomas.lynch@gmail.com> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 5:26:21 AM Subject: Re: Centurylink having a bad morning? On 4/Sep/20 23:41, Tomas Lynch wrote: Oh, yes! Let's not start another "what's a tier one" war! Oh no, let's :-). We get over here in Africa as well. Local operators either calling themselves Tier 1, or being called a Tier 1. Nonsensical. Years back, our Marketing team asked me to comment on the use of "Tier" for our literature. You can probably imagine what I said :-). For me, it's simple - you are present in X cities or Y cities. Tier is useless because the Internet does not come from a single country or a single operator. And saying a network is "big" or "small" is subjective to everyone's perspective, so that doesn't help either. So you're present here, and present there. That's it. It's 2020 :-). Mark.