Given all the noise that this issue has caused on the list, I thought I'd take a moment this afternoon and forward a URL that good folks over at LURHQ have made available with more realistic, and current, statistics on the BlackWorm cruft: http://www.lurhq.com/blackworm-stats.html Thanks to Joe Stewart at LURHQ. Cheers, - ferg -- Martin Hannigan <hannigan@world.std.com> wrote: [snip] The point I was trying to make before the thread went, East?, was that there is a perceived problem in the security community with approrpriate response. I'd tell you how I think that could have been avoided, but then my name would go up in the subject again. *cough full disclosure* [snip] -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg@netzero.net or fergdawg@sbcglobal.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/