The problem I see is that there doesn't seem to be any real concensus on what is a valid point of discussion on the list. There seems to be some (randy?) that basically feel that if you can't configure a router to do it it doesn't belong here... Meaning that this forum should be primarily about technical operation issues. On the other hand, there are those among us that when the subject of router configuration comes up, usually in the context of the right way(tm) to do BGP configuration, they yell and scream that this doesn't belong here it should be elsewhere. I've personally been flamed for sending a simple "Hey, I can't get a hold of someone at <insert provider here> using whois contact info. Could someone from the provider or someone who has contact information for the provider e-mail me?" So maybe the real question is what the heck is this list for? I've been to two "live" NANOG's and it seems to me that the discussion on this list seems pretty much in line with the "official" nanog agenda. Would someone like to clarify what is and isn't supposed to be on this list before we try to moderate or split it? - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- iMach, Ltd., P.O. Box 5749, Helena, MT 59604 http://www.imach.com Solutions for your high-tech problems. (406)-442-6648 ----------------------------------------------------------------------