So device is certified, bug is found 2 years later. How does this help. The info to date is last week's issue was patched by the vendor in Sept 2015, I believe is what I read. We know bugs will creep in, (source anyone that has worked with code forever) Also certification assuming it would work, in what country, would I need one, per country I sell into? These are not the solutions you are looking for ( Jedi word play on purpose) On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 3:53 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ < jordi.palet@consulintel.es> wrote:
Exactly, I was arguing exactly the same with some folks this week during the RIPE meeting.
The same way that certifications are needed to avoid radio interferences, etc., and if you don’t pass those certifications, you can’t sell the products in some countries (or regions in case of EU for example), authorities should make sure that those certifications have a broader scope, including security and probably some other features to ensure that in case something is discovered in the future, they can be updated.
Yes, that means cost, but a few thousand dollars of certification price increase, among thousands of millions of devices of the same model being manufactured, means a few cents for each unit.
Even if we speak about 1 dollar per each product being sold, it is much cheaper than the cost of not doing it and paying for damages, human resources, etc., when there is a security breach.
Regards, Jordi
-----Mensaje original----- De: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> en nombre de Leo Bicknell < bicknell@ufp.org> Organización: United Federation of Planets Responder a: <bicknell@ufp.org> Fecha: miércoles, 26 de octubre de 2016, 19:19 Para: <nanog@nanog.org> Asunto: Re: Spitballing IoT Security
In a message written on Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 08:06:34AM -0400, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > The makers of IoT devices are falling all over themselves to rush products > to market as quickly as possible in order to maximize their profits. They > have no time for security. They don't concern themselves with privacy > implications. They don't run networks so they don't care about the impact > their devices may have on them. They don't care about liability: many of > them are effectively immune because suing them would mean trans-national > litigation, which is tedious and expensive. (And even if they lost: > they'd dissolve and reconstitute as another company the next day.) > They don't even care about each other -- I'm pretty sure we're rapidly > approaching the point where toasters will be used to attack garage door > openers and washing machines.
You are correct.
I believe the answer is to have some sort of test scheme (UL Labratories?) for basic security and updateability. Then federal legislation is passed requiring any product being imported into the country to be certified, or it is refused.
Now when they rush to market and don't get certified they get $0 and go out of business. Products are stopped at the boader, every shipment is reviewed by authorities, and there is no cross boarder suing issue.
Really it's product safety 101. UL, the CPSC, NHTSA, DOT and a host of others have regulations that if you want to import a product for sale it must be safe. It's not a new or novel concept, pretty much every country has some scheme like it.
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