On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 6:15 PM Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:

https://www.vice.com/en/article/jg84yy/data-brokers-netflow-data-team-cymru

used to get dissidents, activists, and journos killed

at&t, comcast, ... zayo, please tell us you do not do this.

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After the SF room thing a decade ago (or whatever timeframe it was) we have to know AT&T is doing it.

On 8/25/21 11:01 PM, jim deleskie wrote:

:: I think letting any of those people think ToR is safe as being a much bigger risk.

Especially since ToR was developed by the US Navy to support spying operations.

:: ...Team Cymru...and believe them to be the good guys,

Agreed and I have thought so for a very long time, but sadly this casts a shadow over my interpretation of their work. Hopefully, someone there clarifies and we can go on knowing they're one of the (few) good guys.

scott