Support for developing a draft Post NSF AUP seems to have diminished in the public forum. Privately, the support for an AUP is strong, but for reasons beyond my comprehension, the public debate tends to degenerate into it's lowest common denominator rapidly. It has been my belief that both NANOG and COM-PRIV would benefit greatly from defining a Post NSF AUP and I continue to agree, as many have suggested, that unless a problem is defined, it is practically impossible to solve. Mike O'Dell has told me politely that this AUP discussion in NANOG is a form of 'spam' in itself. If that is the opinion of the majority, and NANOG is not a forum for discussing a Post NSF AUP, then please consider this an apology, I was misinformed. I agree with Bill Manning's ideal for developing a comprehensive ubiquitous AUP acceptable to all races, colors, creeds, and ethic origin, but, on the other hand, it is fairly consistant with human nature that a omnipresent AUP is out of the question, considering our inability to agree, in principle, on a basic draft within a relatively small forum. It does, however, appear that defining the framework of a Post NSF AUP does not appear to enjoy the overall support of COM-PRIV and NANOG. Hence, without a show of strong support for this draft AUP, I am compelled to withdraw my motion for developing this document, unless substantial public support is generated. Also, could someone please be so kind to explain why NANOG should not be including in these AUP discussions? Thanks, Tim -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Tim Bass | #include<campfire.h> | | Principal Network Systems Engineer | for(beer=100;beer>1;beer++){ | | The Silk Road Group, Ltd. | take_one_down(); | | | pass_it_around(); | | http://www.silkroad.com/ | } | | | back_to_work(); /*never reached */ | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+