At the June '97 NANOG, Randy Bush mentioned I was contacting various NOCs to verify their contact information. I thought I'd post a note how the project is going. 2 providers confirmed no longer in the ISP business 11 providers still announcing routes on the Internet, but has contact information which no longer reaches any person associated with the provider (i.e. ring-no-answer, number not service, number assigned to a different party, person no longer employed by the provider) 80 providers with working phone numbers, but I want to break this one down a bit further. I'm going to have someone actually try to reach the NOC, rather than just the company. - Voice mail leading to a full mailbox, and other voice-mail jails - Redirected to a non-working phone number - Redirected to a limited calling area phone number - Noc? What's a noc? So depending on how generous you want to be, this group had a grade of "B" for having a working phone number. It would be a mistake to assume company size is related to any of this. There were large and small companies in every category. -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation