On May 31, 2021, at 4:47 AM, Christian de Larrinaga <cdel@firsthand.net> wrote:

Nobody needs more than 64k of RAM. 
On Sun 30 May 2021 at 14:28, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:

That doesn't really serve any value and 99.9999999999% of people would not pay
any more than $50 for the ability, so your ability to execute such a system is
limited.



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From: "Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe" <lb@6by7.net>
To: "Laura Smith" <n5d9xq3ti233xiyif2vp@protonmail.ch>
Cc: "NANOG Operators' Group" <nanog@nanog.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2021 4:43:50 PM
Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

I’m right there with you.  I can download an entire Mac OS update in 6 minutes.
It’s astonishing.  I’d pay a grand a month for this.  I’d pay  five.

-LB

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   On May 29, 2021, at 1:57 AM, Laura Smith via NANOG     <nanog@nanog.org> wrote:

   I agree with Dan.

   In Switzerland you can get 10Gb symmetric to the home for     49.95 per month
   (or 39.95 if you have a mobile with the same ISP) .

   As with Dan, average utilisation is measured in Mb. 
   But then the ability to go from that to download 10GB of the     latest patches
   from Microsoft or Apple, or the ability to upload large     files for off-site
   backups or for friends/customers .... I don't know what I'd     do without it !
      
   And of course, the days of the buffering wheel of death when     streaming 4K
   TV is long gone ...  I can have multiple people in multiple     rooms in my
   house streaming 4K and nobody notices.

   I would never, ever, go back to DSL.  Even if they hiked the     price 5x, I'd
   still pay it.

   Coming back to the original question on this thread, my     answer would be the
   minimum for 2021 should be 1/1.  Anything less than that is     a bit silly and
   will soon be obsolete.

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   On Saturday, 29 May 2021 04:50, Dan Stralka     <mrsyeltzin@gmail.com> wrote:


       But it is reality, it's just not your reality, Mike.         Brandon's ISP
       can provide that service.

       So should there be a more granular definition of speeds         mandated based
       on population density, last mile tech, etc?

       I was in the camp that you didn't need higher bandwidth         than you'd
       normally find - I was happy on my 50/10 plan. Then my         ISP upgraded me
       to a 300/50 or thereabouts and it was a night and day         difference in
       getting things done. 
       Just like your example of average utilization being in         the single
       megabits per second, my average utilization is near         zero. But when I
       need to move files I can burst to speeds that aren't         embarrassing in
       2021.

       Higher bandwidth is both welcome and necessary. It         doesn't have to be
       sustained throughout the contract to be required. The         only question is
       how feasible it is, and I suspect it's quite feasible         for larger
       players. 
       Dan

       (end)

       On Fri, May 28, 2021, 22:33 Mike Hammett         <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:


           That's not based in any kind of reality.

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           From: "Brandon Price" <PriceB@SherwoodOregon.gov>
           To: "Sean Donelan" <sean@donelan.com>, "NANOG             Operators' Group"
           <nanog@nanog.org>
           Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 5:21:53 PM
           Subject: RE: New minimum speed for US broadband             connections

           100/100 minimum for sure.

           In our small neck of the woods, we are currently             doing 250/250 for
           $45 and 1000/1000 for $60 no data caps.

           We have lost some grants on rural builds because             "someone" in the
           census block claims they provide broadband.. Not             hard to put an AP
           up on a tower and hit the current definition's             upload speed.

           I get a chuckle when the providers tell the customer             what they
           "need"...  
           Brandon Price
           Senior Network Engineer
           City of Sherwood, Sherwood Broadband

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           Behalf Of Sean Donelan
           Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 5:33 PM
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           Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband             connections

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           On Thu, 27 May 2021, Lady Benjamin Cannon of             Glencoe, ASCE wrote:

               At least 100/100.

               We don’t like selling slower than 10g anymore,                 that’s what I’d
               start everyone at if I could.


           At $50/month or less?

           Maximize number of households of all demographic             groups.

-- 
Christian de Larrinaga https://firsthand.net