Jay, I really doubt that the guys who designed Verizon's access network had anything to do or say about their peering nor do I believe there was a cross departmental design meeting to talk about optimal peering to work with the access technology. The group responsible for peering and other transit operations and planning probably pre-dated FiOS being at scale by decades. Asymmetrical networks from telecom operators is and has been the norm world wide for a very long time. We're only now getting to a place where that consideration is even being talked about and even now none of the "common" approaches for access give symmetrical traffic except for Ethernet. I'd like to see EPON more common, but the traditional telco vendors either don't offer it or its just now becoming available. Again, I have no doubt that _after the fact_ someone at Verizon said that this is a good because it helps with the Netflix flap, but drawing causality between their prior asymmetrical offering and the way they went after transit is a mistake IMO. Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 -------------------------------- http://twitter.com/kscotthelms -------------------------------- On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Jay Ashworth <jra@baylink.com> wrote:
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From: "Christopher Morrow" <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Scott Helms <khelms@zcorum.com> wrote:
I am equally certain that some there were some folks, perhaps lawyers, who said this gives us a better position to argue from if we need to against Netflix.
wasn't this part of the verizon network specifically NOT the red part in the verizon blog? (so I'm unclear how this change is in any way related to verizon/netflix issues)
I made the argument, so I'll clarify.
One of the arguments which was put up for why this was Verizontal's problem was that they should have *understood* that if they deployed an eyeball network which was *by design* asymmetrical downhill, that that's how their peering would look too -- asymmetrical incoming; the thing they're complaining about now.
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