wow, I hate spam/anti-spam conversations, BUT: On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Al Rowland wrote:
Okay, I'm going to break my promise,
Can anyone document more than one isolated instance, if that, of spammers using North American Cyber Cafes? (This is NANOG)
If so, wouldn't appropriate AUP with appropriate fines to the CC the user used for access be a more appropriate sniper rifle shot rather than just shot gunning all your users?
The problem most likely is that the complaints roll down days after said user spammed :( We see fallout from dial spammers normally hours after they start spamming. So, unless they have CC#->UserName->Time->ip all recorded at the cafe they aren't going to be able to 'fine' anyone :( I am NOT a proponent of a technical solution for spam because its just a escalating war of technology, but in this case perhaps there are some measures Hank can suggest to his customers to help solve this issue, or curb the abuse. Perhaps even a technical solution he can sell/manage for his customer and make some more money for his business? Managed Security Services, what a thought! :)
As far as 'loading' spam software, any Cyber Caf� that has the cpu out where Joe User has access and/or hasn't set appropriate user rights preventing software installation or system access, won't be in business very long anyway.
Stupidity never stopped people from running a business :(
Best regards, _________________________ Alan Rowland
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Iljitsch van Beijnum Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 4:49 PM To: Marshall Eubanks Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: How do you stop outgoing spam?
On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
Ok, suppose someone can touch type. The world record is something like 600 key presses per minute, which is 10 41-byte TCP packets per
second ~= 4 kbps.
When I go to Internet cafe's (I like Global Gossip), I connect my Ti-book to the local ethernet if at all possible (that's why I like Global Gossip) and use high bit rates (i.e., file transfers) in both direction.
Would the uploads be HTTP? That's the only thing I'd want to limit to a few kbps. (Well, and outgoing SMTP to 0 kbps.)
If I was limited to 4 kbps outbound, I would want my money back.
Just one customer viewpoint :)
Understandable. On the other hand, spammers using internet cafes isn't good either.