Anyone know what is up between them in Ontario, Canada ? I am seeing pretty high latency and packet loss in both directions. Dont know if its a chronic capacity problem or just a dead/down circuit ? Bell's looking glass showed (prior to my prepending) BGP routing table entry for 199.212.134.0/24, version 89013385 Paths: (2 available, best #1) Not advertised to any peer 852 11647, (received & used) 206.108.96.231 (metric 2060) from 206.108.96.17 (206.108.96.17) Origin IGP, metric 1000, localpref 110, valid, internal, best Community: 577:55 577:4520 577:5602 577:10100 Originator: 206.108.96.231, Cluster list: 206.108.96.17, 206.108.96.1 852 11647, (received & used) 206.108.96.231 (metric 2060) from 206.108.96.18 (206.108.96.18) Origin IGP, metric 1000, localpref 110, valid, internal Community: 577:55 577:4520 577:5602 577:10100 Originator: 206.108.96.231, Cluster list: 206.108.96.18, 206.108.96.1 Type escape sequence to abort. Tracing the route to ns.sentex.ca (199.212.134.1) 1 bxsmc-fe5-0-0.in.bellnexxia.net (205.207.238.210) 20 msec 204 msec 200 msec 2 core2-toronto63-pos11-5.in.bellnexxia.net (206.108.98.141) 0 msec 0 msec 4 msec 3 core4-toronto63-pos6-0.in.bellnexxia.net (64.230.242.105) 0 msec 4 msec 0 msec 4 core4-toronto12-pos13-0.in.bellnexxia.net (64.230.242.181) 0 msec 0 msec 0 msec 5 core1-toronto12-pos0-1.in.bellnexxia.net (64.230.242.198) 0 msec 0 msec 0 msec 6 bx5-toronto12-so-0-1-0-0.in.bellnexxia.net (64.230.242.150) 0 msec 0 msec 0 msec 7 toroonnlgr00.bb.telus.com (154.11.3.25) [AS 852] 176 msec 180 msec 176 msec 8 toroonzddr00.bb.telus.com (154.11.6.3) [AS 852] 172 msec 176 msec 176 msec 9 * hespler155ATM-waterloo.sentex.ca (199.212.135.77) [AS 11647] 164 msec 172 msec 10 * ns.sentex.ca (199.212.134.1) [AS 11647] 160 msec * and a traceroute from telus' route server to Bell route-views.on>traceroute 206.108.111.125 Type escape sequence to abort. Tracing the route to bx5-toronto12-so-0-0-1-0.in.bellnexxia.net (206.108.111.125) 1 toroonxngr00.bb.telus.com (154.11.63.85) 0 msec 0 msec 0 msec 2 toroonnlbr00.bb.telus.com (154.11.11.37) 4 msec 0 msec 0 msec 3 toroonnlgr00.bb.telus.com (154.11.11.58) 0 msec 0 msec 0 msec 4 bx5-toronto12-so-0-0-1-0.in.bellnexxia.net (206.108.111.125) [AS 577] 164 msec 164 msec 164 msec route-views.on> route-views.on>show ip bgp 206.108.111.125 BGP routing table entry for 206.108.111.0/24, version 117710304 Paths: (2 available, best #1) Advertised to non peer-group peers: 198.32.162.100 198.32.162.102 577, (aggregated by 577 206.108.96.25) 154.11.0.147 from 154.11.0.150 (154.11.0.150) Origin IGP, metric 0, localpref 90, valid, internal, atomic-aggregate, best Originator: 154.11.0.147, Cluster list: 154.11.0.150 577, (aggregated by 577 206.108.96.25) 154.11.0.147 from 154.11.0.151 (154.11.0.151) Origin IGP, metric 0, localpref 90, valid, internal, atomic-aggregate Originator: 154.11.0.147, Cluster list: 154.11.0.151 route-views.on> i.e. as soon as it hits Bell's network, there is quite a jump in latency and packet loss. Some of the paths to 577 out of Telus actually go down via Sprint in Chicago which seems rather odd e.g. route-views.on>show ip bgp 198.235.69.11 BGP routing table entry for 198.235.69.0/24, version 239594939 Paths: (2 available, best #1) Advertised to non peer-group peers: 198.32.162.100 198.32.162.102 1239 577 154.11.0.155 from 154.11.0.150 (154.11.0.150) Origin IGP, metric 100, localpref 100, valid, internal, best Originator: 209.115.137.204, Cluster list: 154.11.0.150 1239 577 154.11.0.155 from 154.11.0.151 (154.11.0.151) Origin IGP, metric 100, localpref 100, valid, internal Originator: 209.115.137.204, Cluster list: 154.11.0.151 route-views.on> Anyone know whats up ? ---Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike