I wouldn't call 50 megabit/s an elephant flow ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Tinka" <mark@tinka.africa> To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net>, "Saku Ytti" <saku@ytti.fi> Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Friday, September 1, 2023 8:56:03 AM Subject: Re: Lossy cogent p2p experiences? On 9/1/23 15:44, Mike Hammett wrote: and I would say the OP wasn't even about elephant flows, just about a network that can't deliver anything acceptable. Unless Cogent are not trying to accept (and by extension, may not be able to guarantee) large Ethernet flows because they can't balance them across their various core links, end-to-end... Pure conjecture... Mark.