Hello, "are described in further detail in the survey" Doing the survey gives legitimacy to something I feel is not correct ------- "We understand the privacy concern. As for SBAS, the backbone is operated in a federated manner among PoP operators." I asked about the ISDs and put a FAQ you have as an example. I didn't ask about the SBAS. It seems to me that the ingress/egress of an ISD is the place a government surveillance network would reside. All country internet communications go through a chokepoint to get on the SBAS, so it's easier to surveil the population. Especially if you envision the ISD to have its own DNS. scott On 1/22/2022 5:22 PM, Yixin Sun wrote:
Hi Scott,
Thank you for your comment! We understand the privacy concern. As for SBAS, the backbone is operated in a federated manner among PoP operators. In our current deployment, the PoP operators are located across three continents. On the other hand, due to the federated structure of the SBAS PoP operators, a governance structure is needed to coordinate global operation. We have outlined four potential governance models, i.e., ICANN and Regional Internet Registries, a multi-stakeholder organization, a federation of network providers, or a decentralized governance model. The four models are described in further detail in the survey, and we would love to hear your opinions about them.
Best, Yixin
On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 8:24 PM scott <surfer@mauigateway.com> wrote:
On 1/21/2022 12:07 PM, Yixin Sun wrote:
We appreciate that your time is very precious, but we wanted to ask you for your help in answering a brief survey about a new secure routing system we have developed in a research collaboration between ETH, Princeton University, and University of Virginia. We'd like to thank those of you who have already helped us fill out the survey and provided insightful feedback. Your input is critical for helping inform our further work on this project.
Here is the link to our survey, which takes about 10 minutes to complete, including watching a brief 3-minute introductory video: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc4VCkqd7i88y0CbJ31B7tVXyxBlhEy_zsYZByx6tsKAE7ROg/viewform?usp=pp_url&entry.549791324=NANOG+mailing+list <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc4VCkqd7i88y0CbJ31B7tVXyxBlhEy_zsYZByx6tsKAE7ROg/viewform?usp=pp_url&entry.549791324=NANOG+mailing+list>
Our architecture, called Secure Backbone AS (SBAS), allows clients to benefit from emerging secure routing deployments like SCION by tunneling into a secure infrastructure. SBAS provides substantial routing security improvements when retrofitted to the current Internet. It also provides benefits even to non-participating networks and endpoints when communicating with an SBAS-protected entity.
We currently have a functional prototype of this network using SCIONLab (for the secure backbone) and the PEERING testbed (to make outbound BGP announcements). Our ultimate aim is to develop and deploy SBAS beyond an experimental scope, and the input of network operators that would actually have to run these PoPs would greatly benefit this project and help make secure routing a reality.
This all looks like a network made for surveilling the planet's citizens more easily. Even in the FAQs!
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"Do you use countries as ISDs? Doesn't that create opportunities for government intervention and censorship?
We're currently looking into the best way to partition the Internet into ISDs, so using countries as ISDs is only one possible option. Countries have the advantage of providing a uniform legal environment, allowing misbehavior in an ISD to be handled according to the legal framework of that ISD."
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I guess each country's government will define 'misbehavior' and will have a more easy way to find the misbehaving entity? Will each ISD (ISD = Isolation Domain) have it's own DNS? What will you do about space? The moon? (That one's coming sooner that folks might expect: https://www.nokia.com/networks/insights/network-on-the-moon) Just say no to internet partitioning.
scott