Now you get to a Randy Bush argument of what are you actually paying me for
credit where due department: i was merely channeling a position sean doran has taken for many years and, while we have a non-op message o after five years, i graduated from verio a couple of months ago, and am now at at&t doing research and architecture o i suspect the nanog thread regarding which backbones have native multicast enabled may be inaccurate. but it's good to see new folk exploring the technology o the folk most interested in revising the meaning of "tier-1" are usually those who are not o the kiddies are out for the summer nothing constructive to do, so are impersonating net operators on aim, phone, etc. so verify cold calls, aim, etc. o ipv6, mpls, and diffserve-enabled backbones will solve all your problems randy