This is my first e-mail to the list and I hope it is not entirely inappropriate. We are attempting to use Juniper single-mode SFPs (LX variety) across multi-mode fiber. Standard listed distance is always for SFPs using the appropriate type of fiber. Does anyone out there know how much distance we are likely to get? Thanks for your help in advance. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 2:07 PM, <nanog-request@nanog.org> wrote:
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1. Re: EFF call for signatures from Internet engineers against censorship (Suresh Ramasubramanian) 2. RE: EFF call for signatures from Internet engineers against censorship (O'Reirdan, Michael) 3. Recognized Address Transfer Facilitators (was: Your Christmas Bonus Has Arrived) (John Curran) 4. Re: Recognized Address Transfer Facilitators (was: Your Christmas Bonus Has Arrived) (Leigh Porter) 5. Re: EFF call for signatures from Internet engineers against censorship (Suresh Ramasubramanian) 6. Re: Your Christmas Bonus Has Arrived (bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com) 7. Re: Recognized Address Transfer Facilitators (was: Your Christmas Bonus Has Arrived) (Justin M. Streiner) 8. Re: Recognized Address Transfer Facilitators (was: Your Christmas Bonus Has Arrived) (Mark Tinka) 9. Multiple ISP Load Balancing (Holmes,David A)
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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 15:42:51 +0530 From: Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com> To: Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net> Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: EFF call for signatures from Internet engineers against censorship Message-ID: <CAArzuouqU2SivNgcE-3ipe-AwSq7v7N1H4wWqOxzxsP8hxYCOA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
I would strongly suggest that operators work with their legal departments to endorse this paper by Crocker and others.
If other ISP organizations (such as say MAAWG) come out with something, other operators could sign on to that as well.
The EFF petition has way too much propaganda and far less content than would be entirely productive in a policy discussion.
--srs
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net> wrote:
?Security and Other Technical Concerns Raised by the ? ?DNS Filtering Requirements in the PROTECT IP Bill ?Authors: ? ?Steve Crocker, Shinkuro, Inc. ? ?David Dagon, Georgia Tech ? ?Dan Kaminsky, DKH ? ?Danny McPherson, Verisign, Inc. ? ?Paul Vixie, Internet Systems Consortium
-- Suresh Ramasubramanian (ops.lists@gmail.com)
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Message: 2 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:36:59 +0000 From: "O'Reirdan, Michael" <Michael_OReirdan@Cable.Comcast.com> To: Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com>, Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net> Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: RE: EFF call for signatures from Internet engineers against censorship Message-ID: <B13238AB0CB1514B9509DEEE5F98F2E00DE39363@PACDCEXMB13.cable.comcast.com>
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MAAWG has written voicing its concerns on SOPA and PIPA.
http://www.maawg.org/sites/maawg/files/news/MAAWG_US_Congress_S968-HR3261_Co...
Mike ________________________________________ From: Suresh Ramasubramanian [ops.lists@gmail.com] Sent: 14 December 2011 05:12 To: Hal Murray Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: EFF call for signatures from Internet engineers against censorship
I would strongly suggest that operators work with their legal departments to endorse this paper by Crocker and others.
If other ISP organizations (such as say MAAWG) come out with something, other operators could sign on to that as well.
The EFF petition has way too much propaganda and far less content than would be entirely productive in a policy discussion.
--srs
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net> wrote:
Security and Other Technical Concerns Raised by the DNS Filtering Requirements in the PROTECT IP Bill Authors: Steve Crocker, Shinkuro, Inc. David Dagon, Georgia Tech Dan Kaminsky, DKH Danny McPherson, Verisign, Inc. Paul Vixie, Internet Systems Consortium
-- Suresh Ramasubramanian (ops.lists@gmail.com)
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Message: 3 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 12:18:56 +0000 From: John Curran <jcurran@arin.net> To: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick@ianai.net> Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Recognized Address Transfer Facilitators (was: Your Christmas Bonus Has Arrived) Message-ID: <131B2DA4-7C99-4DB8-924A-EBCB27EF9BF0@arin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
On Dec 14, 2011, at 12:40 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
I believe this company is the one that sold the MS & Borders blocks, so they may be "legit" (whatever that means in this context).
I also do not know what "legit" means in this context, but will note that we have added a public list of all recognized specified transfer facilitators to the ARIN web site:
<https://www.arin.net/resources/transfer_listing/facilitator_list.html>
Facilitators are aware of ARIN's address transfer policies and agree to comply with same. Note that any qualifying parties may transfer space in compliance with policy, but folks may find it easier to work with one of these facilitators to find a matching party for transfer. Facilitators may make use of information in the optional Specified Transfer Listing Service (which lists those who have space available or prequalify as a recipient) but not required to do so. Similarly, parties which may have space available for transfer or wish to prequalify in advance to receive address space via transfer may also register in the Specified Transfer Listing Service (STLS). More information is available on the ARIN web site <www.arin.net> under "IPv4 SPECIFIED TRANSFER OPTIONS" section.
FYI (and Happy Holidays :-) /John
John Curran President and CEO ARIN
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Message: 4 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 12:30:06 +0000 From: Leigh Porter <leigh.porter@ukbroadband.com> To: John Curran <jcurran@arin.net> Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Recognized Address Transfer Facilitators (was: Your Christmas Bonus Has Arrived) Message-ID: <8C3137B6-7690-4CF5-85B2-594E450CDB7B@ukbroadband.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I love the anti v6 stuff on some of their sites!
http://www.iptrading.com/news/news.htm
-- Leigh
On 14 Dec 2011, at 12:21, "John Curran" <jcurran@arin.net> wrote:
On Dec 14, 2011, at 12:40 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
I believe this company is the one that sold the MS & Borders blocks, so they may be "legit" (whatever that means in this context).
I also do not know what "legit" means in this context, but will note that we have added a public list of all recognized specified transfer facilitators to the ARIN web site:
<https://www.arin.net/resources/transfer_listing/facilitator_list.html>
Facilitators are aware of ARIN's address transfer policies and agree to comply with same. Note that any qualifying parties may transfer space in compliance with policy, but folks may find it easier to work with one of these facilitators to find a matching party for transfer. Facilitators may make use of information in the optional Specified Transfer Listing Service (which lists those who have space available or prequalify as a recipient) but not required to do so. Similarly, parties which may have space available for transfer or wish to prequalify in advance to receive address space via transfer may also register in the Specified Transfer Listing Service (STLS). More information is available on the ARIN web site <www.arin.net> under "IPv4 SPECIFIED TRANSFER OPTIONS" section.
FYI (and Happy Holidays :-) /John
John Curran President and CEO ARIN
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Message: 5 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 18:01:06 +0530 From: Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com> To: "O'Reirdan, Michael" <Michael_OReirdan@cable.comcast.com> Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>, Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net> Subject: Re: EFF call for signatures from Internet engineers against censorship Message-ID: <CAArzuotafMx+1mRFT9dLqYyRvhyFBsPg=Cir48-Ez=QZxLLEPw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Wonderful. I would urge SPs based stateside to strongly consider endorsing the MAAWG comments.
thanks suresh
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 5:06 PM, O'Reirdan, Michael <Michael_OReirdan@cable.comcast.com> wrote:
MAAWG has written voicing its concerns on SOPA and PIPA.
http://www.maawg.org/sites/maawg/files/news/MAAWG_US_Congress_S968-HR3261_Co...
Mike ________________________________________ From: Suresh Ramasubramanian [ops.lists@gmail.com] Sent: 14 December 2011 05:12 To: Hal Murray Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: EFF call for signatures from Internet engineers against censorship
I would strongly suggest that operators work with their legal departments to endorse this paper by Crocker and others.
If other ISP organizations (such as say MAAWG) come out with something, other operators could sign on to that as well.
The EFF petition has way too much propaganda and far less content than would be entirely productive in a policy discussion.
--srs
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net> wrote:
?Security and Other Technical Concerns Raised by the ? ?DNS Filtering Requirements in the PROTECT IP Bill ?Authors: ? ?Steve Crocker, Shinkuro, Inc. ? ?David Dagon, Georgia Tech ? ?Dan Kaminsky, DKH ? ?Danny McPherson, Verisign, Inc. ? ?Paul Vixie, Internet Systems Consortium
-- Suresh Ramasubramanian (ops.lists@gmail.com)
-- Suresh Ramasubramanian (ops.lists@gmail.com)
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Message: 6 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 14:10:52 +0000 From: bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com To: Chaim Rieger <chaim.rieger@gmail.com> Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Your Christmas Bonus Has Arrived Message-ID: <20111214141052.GA7933@vacation.karoshi.com.> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 10:07:44PM -0800, Chaim Rieger wrote:
What do you have for those that don't do the whole Jesus thing ?
babalyonian fertility icons? (you -did- bring an evergreen tree into your home, yes?)
/bill
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Message: 7 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:16:27 -0500 (EST) From: "Justin M. Streiner" <streiner@cluebyfour.org> To: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Recognized Address Transfer Facilitators (was: Your Christmas Bonus Has Arrived) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1112140906460.30735@whammy.cluebyfour.org> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
On Wed, 14 Dec 2011, Leigh Porter wrote:
I love the anti v6 stuff on some of their sites!
Some of which seems to float between fear-mongering, possibly mis-appropriated quotes, half-truths and information that is flat-out wrong. I would not trust the judgment and opinions of someone who even admitted in one of their blog posts that they had "no hands-on Service Provider IPv6 experience."
While I can understand why IPv4 address brokers would take a decidedly anti-IPv6 stance (deploying IPv6 cuts into their potential business), that doesn't make it any less underhanded.
jms
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Message: 8 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:18:41 +0800 From: Mark Tinka <mtinka@globaltransit.net> To: nanog@nanog.org Cc: John Curran <jcurran@arin.net> Subject: Re: Recognized Address Transfer Facilitators (was: Your Christmas Bonus Has Arrived) Message-ID: <201112142218.42329.mtinka@globaltransit.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
On Wednesday, December 14, 2011 08:30:06 PM Leigh Porter wrote:
I love the anti v6 stuff on some of their sites!
I'd have been more impressed if they actually came up with the stories by themselves, as opposed to linking to existing stories that their link titles take out of context.
Mark.