Apologies, I failed to realize that we were still discussing the absurdity of 240/4 and thought we were talking IPv6. All my comments below apply to v6 progress. 240/4 remains in the who knows?/who cares? Category as far as I’m concerned. 

Owen


On Jan 12, 2024, at 22:51, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:


Windows, Mac, Linux, bad are all done. 
Juniper, MikroTik, even Cisco are done.
Most consumer routers sold in the last 2-3 years are done. 

Not sure what “hardware vendor” would be necessary beyond those. There are probably some little used corner cases of routers, os, etc. but for the most part, we are actually there, it’s just deployment at this point. 

What’s missing to some extent:

Applications (some, less every day)
Logging/monitoring/log parsing (some, getting better)
Technical training (especially service providers)

Owen


On Jan 12, 2024, at 10:02, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:


" every networking vendor, hardware vendor, and OS vendor"

How far are we from that, in reality? I don't have any intention on using the space, but I would like to put some definition to this boogey man.

From: "Ryan Hamel" <ryan@rkhtech.org>
To: "Abraham Y. Chen" <aychen@avinta.com>, "Vasilenko Eduard" <vasilenko.eduard@huawei.com>
Cc: "Abraham Y. Chen" <AYChen@alum.MIT.edu>, nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2024 11:04:31 PM
Subject: Re: Stealthy Overlay Network Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block

Abraham,

You may not need permission from the IETF, but you effectively need it from every networking vendor, hardware vendor, and OS vendor. If you do not have buy in from key stakeholders, it's dead-on arrival.

Ryan
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Subject: Stealthy Overlay Network Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block
 
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Hi, Vasilenko:

1)    ... These “multi-national conglo” has enough influence on the IETF to not permit it.":

    As classified by Vint Cerf, 240/4 enabled EzIP is an overlay network that may be deployed stealthily (just like the events reported by the RIPE-LAB). So, EzIP deployment does not need permission from the IETF.

Regards,


Abe (2024-01-11 21:38 EST)




On 2024-01-11 01:17, Vasilenko Eduard wrote:

> It has been known that multi-national conglomerates have been using it without announcement.

This is an assurance that 240/4 would never be permitted for Public Internet. These “multi-national conglo” has enough influence on the IETF to not permit it.

Ed/

From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+vasilenko.eduard=huawei.com@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Abraham Y. Chen
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2024 3:35 PM
To: KARIM MEKKAOUI <amekkaoui@mektel.ca>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org; Chen, Abraham Y. <AYChen@alum.MIT.edu>
Subject: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block
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Hi, Karim:

 

1)    If you have control of your own equipment (I presume that your business includes IAP - Internet Access Provider, since you are asking to buy IPv4 blocks.), you can get a large block of reserved IPv4 address for free by disabling the program codes in your current facility that has been disabling the use of 240/4 netblock. Please have a look at the below whitepaper. Utilized according to the outlined disciplines, this is a practically unlimited resources. It has been known that multi-national conglomerates have been using it without announcement. So, you can do so stealthily according to the proposed mechanism which establishes uniform practices, just as well. 

 

 

2)    Being an unorthodox solution, if not controversial, please follow up with me offline. Unless, other NANOGers express their interests.

 

 

Regards,

 

 

Abe (2024-01-10 07:34 EST)

 

 

 

On 2024-01-07 22:46, KARIM MEKKAOUI wrote:

Hi Nanog Community

 

Any idea please on the best way to buy IPv4 blocs and what is the price?

 

Thank you

 

KARIM

 

 

 

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