On Tue, Jun 16, 1998 at 02:10:29PM -0500, Karl Denninger wrote:
Didn't say there wasn't a problem. Just don't let's go _there_, ok?
No, we need to go there.
"Voluntary" cooperation isn't working, because the major NOCs don't cooperate. Like ever. I've given up reporting these and just block the amplifiers, because it is POINTLESS to spend 30 minutes on hold to get a NOC person on the phone who either refuses assistance or refuses to escalate the matter to someone who knows what to do.
Since they don't cooperate, the only two defenses are:
1. Black-hole detected amplifier networks (what we're doing here).
Indeed. And what I think is the best approach. Kick 'em in the nads^Wnets.
2. Government intervention to slap penalties on those who don't cooperate with such reports, and vendors who don't make it possible for NOCs to cooperate *reasonably*.
Governments have a demonstrated habit of not building such constraints so as to incent (I hate that word, but can't think of an acceptable synonym just now) the _right_ changes in behavior patterns -- this is the same discussion as was just had about Usenet cancel messages a couple hours ago.
I'd really like it if this didn't have to happen. Seriously. But as long as network operators decide to play stupid when they are hit with these requests, and/or just tell you to bite it (and I've heard both) then the two above steps are both reasonable and necessary.
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