(sorry for list rep) we did a presentation on some AS adjacency and address space data at IETF. keywords: collaborative data collection, visualization, insight, systemic perspective, rational global engineering, cool pix non-keywords: anything political, legal, financial, or o/w offensive/loaded k/hwb caida ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.caida.org/Presentations/Ietf199712/Movie/ you really want a real mpeg_play before you even think about this endeavor all relevant links you need are there we have the full movie there (62MB of 640*480 and no audio, turns out james earl jones was booked), or the individual pieces with file size noted and linked to text explanations of how data procured/processed (including processing source code) and what implications to (not necessarily) draw from it also we're trying to get a smaller 320*240 version out soon (for slower machines), but enough people wanted this asap that we thought we'd better make what we have available and add as we get more (in other words, wouldn't even try current version without a > 200Mhz box, and even with that it won't run at full speed. if you're so handicapped do have patience for a day while he pumps out the lite version) feedback more than welcome but please be gentle you wouldn't believe how much work this took k