Folks, If I may offer a humble opinion here before this gets out of hand. I see many (me included) trying to side step the issue that SMTP is a broken and insecure protocol for that of electronic messages(ing). I see folks blacklisting, RBLing, and other methods in an attempt to fix the issue, which frankly is a band-aid to the entire mess. We can sit here and do route statements like ip route 200.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 127.0.0.1 till were blue in the face and need a spread sheet to keep up with the muk, but its only a side step to the problem. Until either 1: SMTP/ESMTP is fixed so that spoofing cannot occur or 2: Another method/protocol of email/messaging is adopted we are only going to keep spinning our wheels so to speak. I hate just as much as the rest to pay for the garbage of spam, but until all the MS and AOL users start using another standard we'll have to keep bandaiding the problem to keep our customers and jobs. We can all agree its a problem, period. But as always, just my 2¢s Joe Blanchard ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Couzens" <jcns@6o4.ca> To: "Randy Bush" <ra@psg.com> Cc: <na@merit.edu> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 8:59 PM Subject: Re: Barracuda Networks Spam Firewall