This is a non-opperational post, again forgive me ;-) I had lots (40+) of requests for the IP Management tools I said I had written. The SQL based Tree program is available at http://www.ar.com/ar-tools/tree-0.1b.tar.gz There are two versions there, the first version uses MySQL and is command line driven. The second version uses Oracle and the free Oracle JDBC driver, it also uses RMI, so if you want to port it to another Database all you have to do is re-write the server and the client remains the same. The main reason I'm using RMI is so I can write a GUI interface for this that doesn't have Database dependant code. Please, this isn't prduction level stuff (yet!) but so many folks requested that I send "just whatever I've got" I thought I would. I'll set up a list for the continued development of this and some more interesting tools so I won't keep filling NANOG with the oh so unproductive posts. I'll have a web page explaining these and more tools up in a couple of daze, it will be at http://www.ar.com/ar-tools/ I'll finish the GUI for this and the DNS application (not-yet-published) after the Munich IETF meeting. Oh, I'm not ever gona charge for these things, as they are GPLed ;-) If you have questions drop a note to rick@ar.com Enjoy, -Rick =================================================================== Rick H. Wesson Internet Business Services rick@ar.com