There is so much hype and marketing going on about IP QoS these days, it's hard to tell what's /just/ hype and marketing and what's actually in production. I'm wondering if anyone is actually using any of the IP QoS features offered by various vendors in a production environment. I'm particularly interested to know if the famed replacement of ATM QoS features (basic stuff, like prioritization, traffic policing and traffic shaping, sustained and peak rates) has happened in a native IP network (ie POS or IP over PtP circuits), particularly one that runs multiple services (like some real-time stuff like voice, video, streaming, and some non-real-time stuff). There have been a lot of announcements and rumors about this kind of stuff (like Enron Communications PureIP network, Convergent's fully-Cisco [possibly L3] network, Level3's IP-only network, etc), but so far it seems like the only people running native IP on their network don't need QoS at the level that ATM provides, or aren't running any QoS. And it seems like anyone who has built/is building a multi-service network is using ATM because of the QoS issues, amongst other things. The presentations I've seen about QoS implementations have all seemed to contain major sections about how the networks had to work around problems or scale back the implementation because of resource limitations (CPU, memory, etc). Haven't seen anyone implement RSVP on a wide scale, due to similar types of problems. Sounds like QoS is marketing material, not the stuff networks are built on. Is that still the case? How the heck are people able to deploy native-IP networks with these kinds of limitations/problems with QoS? Or did I miss something about QoS recently? Pete.