On Wednesday, June 10, 2015, Alex White-Robinson <alexwr@gmail.com> wrote:
Matthew Petach <mpetach@netflight.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
On a slightly different note, however--while it's good to have an appreciation of the past and how we got here, I think it's wise to also recognize we as an industry have some challenges bringing new blood in--and treating it too much like a sacred priesthood with cabalistic knowledge and initiation rites isn't going to help us bring new engineers into the field to take over for us crusty old farts when our eyes give out and we can't type into our 9600 baud serial consoles anymore.
Matt CCOF #1999322002 [0]
I've seen very little attention paid to junior talent in the last few years, and know a few people who would have been talented engineers that never got a chance to show it. They moved into other industries because of the lack of junior roles.
I know very few people in network engineering that are under thirty, and not that many under thirty five.
My unscientific impression is that 90% of the neteng jobs are for senior engineers on indeed.com with north of 5 years experience. Going back to the OP, looking for network heavies..... How do you get heavies if you don't grow a bench? My $dayjob open reqs are definately all sr eng or above. We have a decent internship program, but far from sufficient to grow a bench
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Matthew Petach <mpetach@netflight.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Jay Ashworth <jra@baylink.com <javascript:;>> wrote: [...]
And this... is NANOG!
Needs more ellipses and capitalization...more like
This...IS...NANOG!!!
building up to a nice crescendo roar as you kick the hapless interviewee backwards down the deep, dark well
On a slightly different note, however--while it's good to have an appreciation of the past and how we got here, I think it's wise to also recognize we as an industry have some challenges bringing new blood in--and treating it too much like a sacred priesthood with cabalistic knowledge and initiation rites isn't going to help us bring new engineers into the field to take over for us crusty old farts when our eyes give out and we can't type into our 9600 baud serial consoles anymore.
Matt CCOF #1999322002 [0]
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