The thread was originally very benefitial (for me, as we use SORBS and provide some basic SMTP services), despite being somewhat off-topic for NANOG... but has now evolved into the Battle of Awful Analogies(tm). Discussions of this type always resort to the same analogy, for that matter: cars. It seems we've reached that point. Also, as I'm still fairly new here: why do so many NANOG threads go this route (pun intended)? Are some folks here unable to simply say what they mean? Just curious. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB |